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第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

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发表于 2004-6-11 02:46:45 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

嗯,
怪杰老兄,
我对此话深有同感。。。。


希望大家在进行有建设性的讨论的当儿,
别忘了以礼待人,
别再互相攻击了。。。。

笑一笑,
世界更美好

Smile、Smile!!

发表于 2004-6-11 09:41:18 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

i'm not criticizing.
i'm explaning.

those up there. u have not read my threads properly.
your questions have already been fully answered.

:)

发表于 2004-6-11 10:05:36 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

if you read all the previous threads properly.

u will realise that NONE of the threads criticize or "attack" xun ren who is rightly so the champion.

there are only threads that criticize gong jiao, the semi-final adjudicator and the debate motion in the finals.

so those up there, how did you draw conclusion that we are at "hu xiang can sha" ?

perhaps for a start in debate, debaters need to draw the correct conclusion from a set of facts.

i guess: the more i explain, the more i'm being understood.
so this will be my last thread.

I love debate. and i hope you guys/gals out there will love it too.
And to really love it, we need to get involved in it, not just as spectators but as debaters ourselves.
The interesting thing about debate is that no matter what the outcome of a discussion is, we will learn something from the process and not the outcome.
I hope everyone has learned something.
for me, i've definitely learned my lesson.

Happy Learning in Debate.

Cheers.
SL

发表于 2004-6-11 11:19:01 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

slchin, it must be an amazement to you to find those illogical words in this forum, supposedly visited by debator. I read throught the threads and agree with you.

People seems to be accusing others not based on what is said, but totally other things. Two main possibilities for this: either they are simply stupid and unable even to response to others; or they are just ignoring other people words purposefully. This in turn shows tremendous personality problem.

HCL is particularly disgusting by being akwardly "sentimental" .You ask everbody to stop the comment.  Come on, use reason to argue and debate, this is the very essence of the activity. If you don't agree with other people's criticism, argue back with reason, don't simply ask people to stop.

发表于 2004-6-11 12:59:05 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

诚信、正义、公平、宽容

Remember, someone has violated and distorted this basic principles. Therefore, he is deserve to be critized.Since someone has called him elderly, the more he has to set a good example for the younger to follow.Has he done?

Please bear in mine, he started the fire. The rest is just responding his critique. If this is not even allowed, then what is the point having discussion here.

Hai Wai Ren Shen, you can ask your good friend "Bian Lun" has he ever said that. As what Chinese saying "If you do not want people to know, you yourself do not do it". I have two witnesses behind my back that heard it too.

Anyway, we are here to preserve 诚信、正义、公平、宽容


发表于 2004-6-11 21:27:43 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

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是非成败转头空
青山依旧在
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白发渔桥将睹上
观看秋月春风
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古今多少事
都附笑谈中!

发表于 2004-6-12 00:16:43 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

再接再励!
发表于 2004-6-12 00:47:32 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

对于slchin和ranieride 自我解释,或许的确是大家对两位的误解。
毕竟两位用的是英文,有时中英对换会造成许多误解。比如在中文的“讨厌你”对大家只是造成些许不爽,但在英文的“I hate you" 对老外而言是非常严重的,含有“恨你一生”的意味。
所以,或许两位碍于电脑问题不能以华文发表看法,但我个人认为如今我们登陆的是“华语辩论网”,很应当采用华语。
就好像如果我们今天登陆的是英文辩论网,就很应该采用英文一样,硬硬采用华语,不只会可能造成某一部分的登陆者看不懂或是误会发帖人的意思,而且还含有不尊敬该网主之嫌。
发表于 2004-6-12 16:39:57 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

可以大概說一說循人和公教的個人表現嗎?
團隊、立論、評判意見我都大概聽過了。
(除了囂張以外) ^~^

#可以的話,可以播放那8場比賽的實況出來嗎?
那些有錄比賽的,麻煩了。。。
(如果能的話)

真的很想親自看看。
另外也請大家給意見--辯手表現。

发表于 2004-6-13 01:18:38 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

To ranieride n slchin:
文字真的很伤人耶.....
既然比赛都已经过去了,
即使再争个十年八年又有什么用呢?

既然会别人对你有意见,那也并非空穴来风丫.....
就好像一支辩论队有很好的思维,出了很好的架构,
但表达不清晰,结果败北了,到底要怪谁呢?
没有可能要怪评判吧?
(以上为本人个人经历)

所以,在比赛过后,
各队伍应该尽快做的事:检讨

检讨:从失败中吸取教训,让别人下次无机可乘,
       不从失败中吸取教训,只会让人觉得有倒退的感觉....
       (学如逆水行舟,不进则退)

祝福各参赛队伍都能再接再励,
两年后的全国赛肯定又是场龙虎之战!

发表于 2004-6-13 01:54:47 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

嗯!!
神琪说的不错,
大家可要从失败中吸取教训。。

而且,
切记:
胜不骄,百不馁!!

发表于 2004-6-13 02:25:22 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

敬请大家尽量用中文吧。
发表于 2004-6-13 02:44:44 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

嗯,
赞同怪杰的建议。。。

毕竟我们在〖华语〗辩论网嘛。。。

何况,
英文看得好辛苦,
字太小了嘛。。。

(眼都花了。。。555)

发表于 2004-6-13 13:52:11 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

对!各参赛队伍因再接再厉!加油!
期待下一届的全国辩论赛!
发表于 2004-6-14 14:23:39 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩


我當是說的是:"臉上肉肉的他,笑起來就很可愛,不需要這麼做作!"...


文字真的很伤人耶.....


早有所料..
不過我不會逃避...
並且正面回應...


既然会别人对你有意见,那也并非空穴来风丫.....
检讨:从失败中吸取教训,让别人下次无机可乘,


决赛之烂辩题!“乡会青年团是我国华青运动的主流”!我国根本没有华青运动但辩题却要人论证乡青是不存在物的主流!这种辩题还要辩吗?拿到正方者不投降还等什么?

一支辩论队有很好的思维,出了很好的架构,
但表达不清晰,结果败北了,到底要怪谁呢?


祝福各参赛队伍都能再接再励,
两年后的全国赛肯定又是场龙虎之战

辩题
a)马来西亚是民主运动的主流
b)噢沙马是和平的爱好者
c)我爸爸是女性
d)福联青是我国最大政党
e)我国华族是巫统的主流


发表于 2004-6-14 18:51:32 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

希望福联青能够从失败中学习,尤其是辩题方面!
对待队伍的态度也应一视同仁,
主办单位的进步才能真正建立一场公平,合理的比赛!
辩手如因辩题或赛会主办单位的不平等待遇而输的话,就是一种漠视他们的努力的行动.

福联青的人有上辩论网的吗?

发表于 2004-6-14 21:38:55 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

既 然 题 目 有 问 题, 怎 么 不 早 提 出 呢?
发表于 2004-6-14 22:35:01 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

录象,我尝试去找,不过应该会缺了季殿军赛。
发表于 2004-6-14 22:48:23 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

嗯,
谢谢觉心86!!
发表于 2004-6-14 22:56:05 | 显示全部楼层

第六届福联青总决赛 - 所有成绩

拜托。。。
比赛都已经过了那么久了。。。
还在这边吵吵嚷嚷有用吗?

辩论网的人应该都是有修养的人吧?
应该知道要怎样看待成败吧?

对於dewen所提出的回应,
我感到失望万分。
你真的希望两年后的辩题是这样的吗?

我想这次主办当局也不是有心的,
而且也没人去投诉。
现在成绩出炉却大喊辩题有漏洞,也挽不回了....

况且,
大家可以试想想,
辩题到底是对正方/反方有利?

倘若循中的言辞没包装,
恐怕要把这个架构提出来,
大家都会感觉到刺耳吧?

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