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名校邀请赛与大专公开赛

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发表于 2011-1-18 09:12:19 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
       王磊的帖子相信大家也已经看到了,南京审计学院以“不是大学”的名义被亚太大专华语辩论赛组委会给拒绝。当然除此之外,我们还遭到了来自主办方某位同学的侮辱,譬如“你们不是清华北大,你们学校没有名气所以实力一定不强”等类似言论。当然开帖之前,为了证明我们这所University不是南大同学所说的College,我愿意贴出证明的(详见二楼)。要注意的是,南大同学在最初的邮件里说“你们必须给出教育部的名单方能证明你们是大学,如果有这种名单的话”,而当我们真的给出教育部的名单后,他们又立刻不予承认,要我们提供教育部的官方证明,否则“别人都是University你们是College,这不公平”。所以我很困惑,是不是所有的参赛队都有教育部的官方证明,如若别的参赛队没有提供证明的义务却只有我们有,是不是非常不公平(恰如你们所言,名字叫大学都不见得是大学呢,其他学校也应该来个证明啊!)?我们不可能让已经放寒假的学生专程买机票去北京,飞过差不多新加坡到澳大利亚的距离去中国教育部,仅仅为了证明我们这所University是所University。
        最早他们拒绝的理由是“我们在你们的校网上查不到,你们必须给出教育部的学校清单”,然而当我们提供了教育部清单后,又立刻说“百度是没有公信力的,教育部那个网站也只是说你们是本科不能证明你们是大学”。我们一开始觉得,这可能是国情不同导致的理解差异,因此进行了耐心的解释。而后来当我们也对中国的大学划分进行讲解,并告知说我们是中国的“本一院校”后,他们找来了一个大陆的留学生进行回复。
          接着,来自这位同学靓丽的言论就开始了!
        “教育部认可的大学也不见得是大学啊....”,“我们想请清华北大,但是不想请你们啊...”,“我可从没听说过你们学校,可见你们学校很不怎么样么...”,“除了学校没听说过,辩论也没听说过么,我们为什么要请你们...”这些回应是多么的牛X啊,让人叹服!是啊,听到这里我们其实就心知肚明了,我们学校没有名气,所以不够格打这个比赛。在我们学校的联系人王磊面对这种侮辱性的语言提出了抗议后,那位接洽人员立刻回应“我早就想挂掉你的电话了!”        
        我想常来这个论坛的辩论圈同好都知道,南京审计学院是一所挚诚热爱辩论的高校,因此王磊也针对那位接洽人员的回答进行了解释。针对大学资质,我们除了给出教育部的证明外,还给出了审计署的英文介绍(见二楼),里面清楚写明了我们是University,当然这些都被无视了。针对大学质量,王磊列举了南审今年是江苏省高考分数线第四名的事实,以及我们ACCA、CGA、IAEP的国际合作资质,但那位同学仍旧是无比轻蔑。我们承认我们学校是不如南洋理工大学,然而我就不懂了,是不是这位同学你身处更好的大学,就有资格鄙视我们这些名气有欠的高校呢?当那位同学说在辩论领域也从没听说过南审时,我们举出了我们光在今年就拿了江苏省冠军,也在7月与南洋理工大学一起参加世界大专华语辩论赛并获得第六的成绩的事实,那位工作人员说:“啊,这样啊,那我们再商量一下。”当然,商量的结果还是一样的。
      事实的部分已经陈述的差不多了,我们来回归这个比赛的本质。我们当然不怀疑主办方是真诚的要推广辩论,也是真诚的在努力工作。然而既然你们以“公开赛”的名义进行公开报名的征集,又为何以一个莫名其妙的门槛对参赛队进行限制。且不说“只有University才能参加,College不可以”的条款本身就不大合理,就算只有University才能参加,又为什么拒绝我们学校。
        退一万步讲,如果名字叫学院就是College不能参赛的话,翻阅前四届亚太赛,似乎也不全是所有的参赛队都以“大学”结尾吧。西安交大城市学院、莫斯科国际关系学院、澳门理工学院等,不都是以“学院”结尾而参赛的么。
        有类似“我都没听说过你们,你们没名气...你们没名气,所以肯定没实力...”的言论是非常没有修养的。这种工作人员,这种不礼貌的回应态度,比起四月份时候和我们耐心沟通、交流的世界大专华语辩论赛工作人员的诚恳热情又何止是天壤之别!
        比赛打不到本身不要紧,也只是我们少了一次和新国大、墨尔本、莫纳什、澳门、港大等朋友们再聚的机会,也只是让我们学校的09级少了一次出外学习、交流、沟通的机会。但我真诚的希望,能否在组织的时候能够更加照顾和理解参赛队的感受。
        即便如此,还是希望本次比赛一切顺利!
 楼主| 发表于 2011-1-18 09:14:26 | 显示全部楼层
百度百科维基百科就不必说了


教育部门户网站http://www.moe.edu.cn/

查询向导——学校名单——普通学校,可以下载中国高校名单


2010江苏省高考一本类高校分数线,南京审计学院分数排名江苏省文科第四


中国审计署官方网站对南京审计学院介绍:http://www.cnao.gov.cn/main/articleshow_ArtID_800.htm

Brief to NAU



Nanjing Audit University (NAU) situates in the city of Nanjing, Jiangsu Province, People’s Republic of China. Nearly 10,000 regular students now study in the two campuses of NAU, which covers a total area of 2200 mu. Mochou Campus is located beside the scenic Mochou Lake and Pukou on the southern slope of Lao Shan Mountain, a National Forest Park.

NAU first began as the Nanjing Institute of Finance and Trade, which was founded in 1983. In 1987, the institute was renamed to Nanjing Audit University as the result of a conference held by the National Audit Office of China and the Nanjing Municipal Government that year.

In 1991, NAU was directly affiliated with the National Audit Office of China and was upgraded in status to that of a regular accredited university in 1993. In 2000, the direct management of NAU was transferred from the National Audit Office of China to Jiangsu Provincial Government. Since its merger with the Nanjing College of Finance in 2002, NAU has become a university that is jointly sponsored by the Jiangsu Provincial Government, the National Audit Office of China and the People’s Bank of China. In 2004, NAU began to accept international students and to enroll postgraduate students. The postgraduate students were enrolled in cooperation with Nanjing University.

Currently there are 580 full-time instructors at NAU. Of these, about 200 are professors and associate professors, 103have Ph.D.’s degrees or are doctorial candidates, and nearly 300 have master’s degrees. In addition, there are 20 instructors among the faculty who have been either granted special subsidies from the State Council or have been awarded provincial and ministerial honors for their great contributions. These 20 instructors have received official recognition as a “Distinguished Teacher” by the Jiangsu Provincial Government. Still another 20 instructors have been either honored as “Excellent Leading Teachers” or selected as the members of the “333 Project” and “Qinglan Project” of Jiangsu Province. Nineteen middle-aged and younger teachers have been recognized as “Provincial Backbone Teachers.”

NAU is an institution of higher education with the principal disciplines of Economics and Management while supported by Law, Language and Literature, Science and Engineering. Now NAU has 14 teaching institutions as follows: The School of International Auditing, The School of Accounting, The School of Finance, The School of Business, The School of Administration, The School of Information Science, The School of Law and Politics and The Department of Foreign Languages, The Department of Teaching Chinese As a Foreign Language, The Department of Applied Mathematics, The Physical Education Department, JinShen College (state-owned & privately run), The College of Vocational Technology and The School of Continuing Education.

NAU has 20 regular disciplines; namely Auditing, Accounting, Financial Management, Human Resources Management, Engineering Management, Business Management, Administration, Economics, Finance, International Economics and Trade, Public Finance, E-Commerce, Marketing, Information Management and Systems, Law, English, Teaching Chinese as a Foreign Language, Computer Science and Technology, Applied Mathematics and Insurance. Among them, the disciplines of Auditing, Accounting and Finance are listed as core disciplines. Besides, NAU is among the first teaching institutions in China to offer E-Commerce courses.

NAU has set up The Training Center for senior personnel of financial system, and also serves as the training center for auditing staff and financial staff throughout China and the examination spot for autodidacts of auditing.

NAU library now has a collection of 800,000 volumes of books and 200,000 volumes of e-books, and subscribes over 1,300 Chinese and foreign newspapers and magazines and over 120 foreign periodicals. The university owns one hundred well equipped multi-media classrooms, simulant bank, simulant Stock Exchange, moot court and showroom of currency and coins.

With great concern of scientific research, NAU has set up the Auditing Information Lab of Jiangsu Province, the Research Institute of Public Administration and Effectiveness Evaluation, the Research Institute of Internal Auditing, the Research Institute of Auditing, the Research Institute of Accounting and Financial Management, the Research Institute of Finance, and the Research Institute of E-commerce. In the past 5 years, NAU has accepted a number of national scientific research assignments from the “863 Project”, the National Fund of Natural Science, the National Fund of Social Science, and the National Financial Auditing Project. Besides, more than one hundred of provincial or ministerial scientific research assignments have been appointed to NAU. The staff of NAU has issued over 3,000 theses in influential academic publications and more than 100 specialized publications and schoolbooks. NAU has directly participated in the constituting work of national laws and policies in the field of auditing. Also, the university has successfully held a number of national and international conferences. Moreover, NAU issues two publications, namely Transaction of NAU and Auditing and Economics Research, which are known as core academic journals issued both at home and abroad.

NAU firmly adheres to the belief of opening up to the outside world and has established extensive cooperation and exchange contacts successively with the auditing institutions of the US, the UK, France, Germany, Australia, Sweden, Canada, Korea, India and Pakistan, as well as other countries.

In 1997, NAU started the cooperation with the Association of Chartered Certified Accountants (ACCA) to foster international CPAs. By the end of the year 2005, 107 NAU students were granted ACCA diplomas after passing all 14 tests required by the ACCA. More than 30 students have acquired full membership into the ACCA and over 70 students have secured quasi-memberships. More than 60 graduates have gained positions with four of the world’s famous accounting firms (PWC, KPMG, E&Y, and DTT). Thanks to the outstanding achievements of the ACCA students, in 2002, the ACCA Headquarters officially approved the ACCA training center of NAU as “Premier”. Besides, NAU has established a “3+1” program with Australian Curtin University of Technology and also a cooperating relationship with London Chamber of Commerce and Industry Examination Board (LCCIEB).

Withal, NAU undertakes Certified Internal Auditor (CIA) training and examination, also serves as the training base for Certified Information Systems Auditor (CISA) in Nanjing. There is also a Business Foreign-language Training Center at NAU, which trains national auditors’ English proficiency.

Over the past 22 years, NAU has formed her own educational motto, “To develop the university with unique, high quality educational features and to establish international standing.” NAU has set up a development strategy of “building the university into a famous institution that is based on high quality education and strong scientific research ability. This goal can be achieved by attracting talented people to NAU by its unique educational features.” NAU has fostered the humanistic spirit of “always earnestly working for the pursuit of truth and diligently studying for the devotion of public duty”, which is cherished as school precepts. At the same time, NAU has cultivated a virtuous, humanitarian, incorruptible, persevering, talented and noble pioneering spirit.




Add: 77 Beiwei Road, Nanjing, Jiangsu, PR China 210029

Tel: 0086-25-86585112

Fax: 0086-25-86585278、0086-25-86618619


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 楼主| 发表于 2011-1-18 09:16:09 | 显示全部楼层
当然了,楼上贴出来的这些是没有用的,因为他们从第一刹那就已经决定不带我们了
发表于 2011-1-18 09:54:18 | 显示全部楼层
南洋理工大学不就是那个在05年左右出了校花艳照门的那个学校么。。。
发表于 2011-1-18 10:38:47 | 显示全部楼层
审计署的文章和百度百科的确没有证据信力
 楼主| 发表于 2011-1-18 12:37:07 | 显示全部楼层
回复 gadflyliu 的帖子

关键问题不在这里,而是一件明明可以确认的事情,为什么非要百般刁难,最后理屈词穷后直接以学校没名气为由拒绝。如果所有的高校都走了这个程序,飞去北京开了一张教育部证明你是大学的证明,那我们自然无话可说。然而,没有。何况亚太赛章程里压根就没有这么一条,这属于当局自己随意添加的。
发表于 2011-1-18 12:56:46 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 yuliang0526 于 2011-1-18 12:57 编辑

南洋理工的那个湖北人跟王磊打电话时,我在附近,差点没气死~~~
那人在王磊步步紧逼下,把对大学的判断逐步退守,从有本科而有硕士、从有硕士而有博士~
最后的意思就是:没有博士点,就不叫大学!
OK,南审的确没博士点,这个无话可说。
但为什么不在章程里或者报名须知里说明!浪费大家时间!
 楼主| 发表于 2011-1-18 13:03:35 | 显示全部楼层
yuliang0526 发表于 2011-1-18 12:56
南洋理工的那个湖北人跟王磊打电话时,我在附近,差点没气死~~~
那人在王磊步步紧逼下,把对大学的判断逐步 ...

不止哈,他们这个比赛叫大专公开赛,也就是说,必须有博士点才叫大专,否则别说大学了,连大专都不是。
发表于 2011-1-18 13:27:27 | 显示全部楼层
在河北、东北和川署,南审的分数线都是比一本线高一百多的。当然这都不重要啦,人家就认名气~所以热爱辩论是没用的,复读重新高考才是真的。
发表于 2011-1-18 14:29:54 | 显示全部楼层
这个比赛本来就有点乌七八糟的,南审的同学也别太在意了,当初福建师范大学去打比赛结果就被南洋理工黑了!
发表于 2011-1-18 15:18:49 | 显示全部楼层
回复 baalchina 的帖子

第一、马来西亚、新加坡那边,大专就是大学的意思,所以这个分歧倒不是别人不懂中文,就好象大陆人说网络,台湾人说网路的情况
第二、基于以上,国内的大专不在邀请范围之内似乎可以理解,当然等一下我会看一下章程
第三、我看了王磊发给组委会的那个excel的链接,也看了你发的教育部的链接,上面没有区分大学和大专,从这个意义上来讲,如果对方的标准是大学而非大专,那么就我目前所能看到的南审提供的证据而言是不能证明自己的情况的(百度百科的确没有效力的)
第四、责任并不在主办方而在扯淡的教育部网站和大学分级制度……
第五、摸摸南审,真是个悲剧
第六、只看名校的确很扯淡
最后、祝好运,三月份见
 楼主| 发表于 2011-1-18 15:37:28 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 baalchina 于 2011-1-18 16:02 编辑

我发的链接有区分大学和大专啊,你看那个EXCEL的标注,如果没有的话我可以附加。


当然问题关键不在这里啦,如果他们事先就说只有211和985能打,那OK我们绝对不会有任何意见,也压根不会来报名自取其辱。但如果说中国教育部认可的大学就能打,我想参加过高考看过那份大学清单的中国人都知道南审是一本类的吧,结果突然就不是大学了。


当然这还没完,他们后来打电话来的人就直接说我们没名气且没博士点所以不是大学了。就好像一个女人突然被说成不是女人了,非要脱裤子检查一下,结果那女人真的脱裤子了人家又不认了,说还得要脸蛋好身材有D才行。我除了能说句去死吧,还能说什么?

他们最早只问我们要网络证明,所以我们提供的都是网络证据,结果他们后来不认了。我们当然可以真的坐飞机去北京教育部盖个章证明自己是一所大学,但是我们好像还没蠢到这种程度,也不至于为了这个比赛而继续承受屈辱。他们还说可以去南京教育局证明我们是大学,南京教育局的不会觉得我们是神经病么,就好比我去派出所证明我自己是一个正常人一样。

何况就如你所说,中国大学是有等级制度,有的“大学”其实也不见得是大学,如果真的如此,主办方本着公平的概念的话应该要求每个参赛队都去教育部盖个章才对。而不是主观的说“因为我们这边的中国留学生没听说过你们学校,所以你们学校需要提供额外证明”。

从他们的言行可以看出,他们完全没有进行任何的认真调查,却总是声称自己调查研究过了,加之林林总总的言论,我们自然会气愤。所以你看,我这条帖子根本就不是要求重新参赛的申诉帖,至于文章的主题,就是这个标题而已。



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 楼主| 发表于 2011-1-18 16:06:07 | 显示全部楼层
回复 cabala3 的帖子

外省的同学辛苦啦,考那么高进来结果我们居然不是大学,哎
发表于 2011-1-18 16:18:46 | 显示全部楼层
回复 baalchina 的帖子

摸摸,奇怪,我决定再去看看我下载的东西去
发表于 2011-1-18 16:27:53 | 显示全部楼层
回复 baalchina 的帖子

重新确认了一下,王磊发的那个excel链接有分本科和专科,你给我的那个链接途径,算我驽钝只找到一个没有分类的doc文件,但是鉴于是王磊沟通的,所以举证责任在主办方,鉴定完毕
 楼主| 发表于 2011-1-18 16:30:04 | 显示全部楼层
是在网页的下面,是要找一下。主办方说了啊,没有博士点,就算你是本科也不叫大学~
发表于 2011-1-18 18:10:52 | 显示全部楼层
我没记错,前几届就有好几所国内辩论名校被这个比赛羞辱了,这种比赛不参加也罢。
发表于 2011-1-18 21:54:33 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 jyzlxz 于 2011-1-18 21:57 编辑

在华语潜水很久了,没想到自己的第一贴是发在这的,但人之常情,老母被骂,儿子缩头的就是逆子;国家受辱,国人不挺身而出的就是汉奸,自然这母校被人这么轻薄,也就不能再怪本人没有容人之量。

不要说什么宰相肚里能撑船,我不是宰相,而且我敢大大方方承认自己不是宰相,你敢吗?如果敢,为什么挂着还公开赛的羊头却卖出了这样的狗肉?而且卖完了还要振振有辞强调一句:“如果不代表羊肉批发商的利益,我完全可以不卖你肉。”各位看官,这又是何等奸商恶霸尚且不齿的行为。

作为一个地球人,我感叹,咱们这个世界越来越宽容了,哪怕灰太狼露出血盆大口,要吃可爱的懒羊羊,我们也会说是自然法则;哪怕有女一夜同床壮男破百,我们还会开脱为个性解放;哪怕主办方只请大牌,被拒绝的穷门小户也会自发地认同:“嗯,毕竟我们不是豪门。”但请你,请你,千万别去做那披着羊皮的狼,千万别做那立了贞节玉女牌坊的欲女,名门正派君子剑最后笑傲葵花,希望它不是你的榜样,但愿不要仅停留在我们这希望而已。

作为一个南审人,我想说,对于这种言论的悲愤之情更是难于诉诸笔墨,学院不是大学?那么南洋理工20年前不也叫南洋理工学院吗?难道南洋理工那时就不算大学了?一声叹息,这样的屁话,既让自己挣下25000顶公敌帽子,又砸了自己母校牌子,顺便还给各地辩友一个贻笑大方的把柄,何苦之有?

作为一个辩论人,我自责,因为作为这两年来陪伴南审经历过多次大赛的辩手,我没有把母校送得更远,即使我们砍下了高校赛的冠军,砍下了省辩的冠军,顺便还在世辩中挺进了八强,现在我知道,还不够,还不够,真的还不够,否则不会被你们如此刁难如此轻薄,长征才刚刚开始。我们每一个人都知道了,我们都知道了,所以我们更团结了,总有一天,我们会把脚印烙在我们想烙的一切地方,比今天更扎实。

所以,我们生气的不是拒绝,而是这种高尚外衣下的势利。

新加坡有本片子叫《小娘惹》,很是喜欢,既然你们愿意像黄家那样欺负人,我们也有信心学着月娘闯一闯,若干年后再见,抬头再见。

也谢谢你们,让我们更加团结,让我们知道还要做什么,光是这份感谢,就足以衷心祝比赛一切顺利,的确是衷心祝愿。
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力挺南审。
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南审辩手需要早日打进教育部,给南审改名,然后加个211或者985。
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